hours got reduced to 29 hour work weeks. i had friends who weren't allowed to work more than 30 hours a week. slowly but surely starting october 31st, then our generation has to pay higher premiums. it was a perfect storm. our generation said i've had enough. >> sophie, is it the president himself, the way he's presented himself on this and other issues, or is it obama care itself? which is it? or maybe it's both. i don't know. >> i think obama care is really playing into a number of failed policies of this president. and like charlie mentioned, the nsa scandal has really been a huge issue. i know the government really wants to read my text messages of my grandmother but -- >> you don't blame him. not even i blame president obama for the nsa probe. >> i think we definitely could. >> you could. >> yeah. >> that's very interesting. >> he said he would be a reformer and get away -- >> this is a little off the beaten track but pick that up. do you blame the president for the nsa eavesdropping, for a better word? >> i can admit t